06 Feb

Alternate to IRINN IRR manual entry / ALTDB

IRINN (Indian Registry for Internet Names and Numbers) is a NIR (National Internet Registry) for India operating under the APNIC RIR (Regional Internet Registry). IRINN is run and managed by NIXI. It’s a decent NIR and was set up in 2012. Indian organisations have the option to either maintain relation with APNIC or with IRINN.

A large number of small networks prefer IRINN because it’s annual charges are 25000 INR / $351 USD against APNIC’s membership fee which is over 2x of that.

There are a couple of key disadvantages of using IRINN:

  1. The membership portal is rather limited and the entire process of creating, updating route objects as well as AS SETs via IRINN is rather a manual process. One raises a ticket and during working days IRINN processes those requests & updates the IRR entries. In backend entries just go in the APNIC’s IRR.
  2. Process of creating/updating/maintaining RPKI ROAs is also rather manual.

As of now there’s not much one can do about #2 other than just following manual process by opening a ticket with IRINN but for #1 if you have a challenge that it’s rather slow to update/change because it is a manual process.

Introduction to IRR’s

IRR or Internet Routing Registry is just the public register for BGP related activities. Logic is that one first publishes what one wants to do and then does it. So I can say I want to originate 2402:b580::/32 from AS58901, publish it one of the publicly visible registers (known as IRRs) and then I actually announce the pool.

So who can run an IRR?

Anyone can! IRRd software is open source and one can use it to set up an IRR server. The old and most widely used IRRd is available here and the new version of IRRd (IRRd version 4) is here which is quite advanced, offers many excellent features. What makes IRRs run by APNIC, ARIN, RIPE, RADB etc popular is the fact that RADB mirrors them all and a large number of tools default to RADB for generating the filtering config. As per data available here, RADB mirrors 23 other IRRs besides serving from its own database. So one can get entry to either of these available IRRs based on relation one has with them for creating the route objects or AS SETs and it just works.


Many people know of RADB which is run by merit. It’s a paid option and many networks use that for maintaining route objects. There’s also a free IRR called ATLDB. It’s free to create an account on it and approval of account is a manual process but once approved, creation/updation of route objects as well as AS SETs is all automated and works via email with a specific syntax. Unfortunately, there’s not much on the ALTDB website except a whois lookup tool, however, if you want to read in detail about IRR as well as using ALTDB, the Fremont Cabal Internet Exchange has an excellent guide on that (here).

The basic logic here is to do following: Create a maintainer object > Define routing policy of the ASN (peers, transit, downstream etc) > Create AS SET (if you have BGP downstream customers) > Create route objects for your IPv4 and IPv6 prefixes > Publish your ASSET on PeeringDB. Again one can follow the detailed steps given on the FCIX website.

Here’s an example of it in action for a test prefix of the pool I use:

As of now, there’s no corresponding route object with it. Here’s a quick check on RADB:

anurag@devops01 ~> whois -h whois.radb.net 2402:b580::/32
%  No entries found for the selected source(s).
anurag@devops01 ~>

As of now, there’s no route object for it. Let’s say I want to start originating from AS58901, so I will put following in a plain text mail and send it to ALTDB email ID (auto-dbm@altdb.net) which processes these requests automatically.

route6:     2402:b580::/32
descr:      Anurag Bhatia R&D Network IPv6 Pool
origin:     AS58901
mnt-by:     MAINT-AS58901
changed:    me@anuragbhatia.com 20200205
source:     ALTDB

It’s important to send email in cleartext. One can check how to do that in a specific email client or web interface one uses. For Gmail the option is here:

I get following in reply from ALTDB:

And now query to RADB gives us:

anurag@devops01 ~> whois -h whois.radb.net 2402:b580::/32
route6:     2402:b580::/32
descr:      Anurag Bhatia R&D Pool
origin:     AS58901
mnt-by:     MAINT-AS58901
changed:    me@anuragbhatia.com 20200205
source:     ALTDB
anurag@devops01 ~>

And here goes the example of creating AS SET: AS-ANURAG. I sent following to the ATLDB:

as-set:     AS-ANURAG
descr:      Anurag Bhatia's AS SET
members:    AS58901
mnt-by:     MAINT-AS58901
changed:    me@anuragbhatia.com 20200205
source:     ALTDB

Upon confirmation, I get when I query RADB:

anurag@devops01 ~> whois -h whois.radb.net AS-ANURAG
as-set:     AS-ANURAG
descr:      Anurag Bhatia's AS SET
members:    AS58901
mnt-by:     MAINT-AS58901
changed:    me@anuragbhatia.com 20200205
source:     ALTDB
anurag@devops01 ~>

Remember if you happen to use ALTDB, make sure to ask IRINN to delete your route objects after you have successfully created them on ALTDB. Duplicate entries just add to the junk in IRR.

Further reading

  1. My detailed presentation on IRR last year at Singapore NOG: Let’s talk about the routing security
  2. Automated configuration of BGP on edge routers by University of Amsterdam
05 Apr

Tata – Airtel domestic peering IRR filtering and OpenDNS latency!

Last month I noticed quite high latency with Cisco’s OpenDNS from my home fibre connection. The provider at home is IAXN (AS134316) which is peering with content folks in Delhi besides transit from Airtel.

ping -c 5
PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=103 ms
64 bytes from icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=103 ms
64 bytes from icmp_seq=3 ttl=51 time=103 ms
64 bytes from icmp_seq=4 ttl=51 time=103 ms
64 bytes from icmp_seq=5 ttl=51 time=103 ms

--- ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4005ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 103.377/103.593/103.992/0.418 ms

This is bit on the higher side as from Haryana to Mumbai (OpenDNS locations list here). My ISP is backhauling from Faridabad which is probably 6-8ms away from my city and 2-3ms further to Delhi and from there to Mumbai around 30ms. Thus latency should be around ~40-45ms.

Here’s how forward trace looked like

traceroute to (, 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1 (  0.730 ms  0.692 ms  0.809 ms
 2  axntech-dynamic- (  4.904 ms  4.314 ms  4.731 ms
 3 (  6.000 ms  6.414 ms  6.326 ms
 4 (  6.836 ms  7.135 ms  7.047 ms
 5  nsg-static- (  9.344 ms  9.416 ms  9.330 ms
 6 (  62.274 ms (  66.874 ms (  61.297 ms
 7 (  85.789 ms  82.250 ms  79.591 ms
 8 (  110.049 ms (  114.350 ms  113.673 ms
 9 (  112.598 ms (  114.889 ms (  113.415 ms
10 (  125.770 ms  125.056 ms  123.779 ms
11  resolver1.opendns.com (  113.648 ms  115.044 ms  106.066 ms

Forward trace looks fine except that latency jumps as soon as we hit Tata AS4755 backbone. OpenDNS connects with Tata AS4755 inside India and announces their anycast prefixes to them. If the forward trace is logically correct but has high latency, it often reflects the case of bad return path. Thus I requested friends at OpenDNS to share the return path towards me. As expected, it was via Tata AS6453 Singapore.

Here’s what Tata AS4755 Mumbai router had for IAXN prefix:

BGP routing table entry for 
Paths: (1 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table) 
Not advertised to any peer 
6453 9498 134316 134316 134316 134316 134316 134316 134316 134316 134316 134316 from ( 
Origin IGP, localpref 62, valid, internal, best 
Community: 4755:44 4755:97 4755:888 4755:2000 4755:3000 4755:47552 6453:50 6453:3000 6453:3400 6453:3402 
Originator:, Cluster list: 
Last update: Mon Mar 25 15:26:36 2019

Thus what was happening is this:

Forward path: IAXN (AS134316) > Airtel (AS9498) > Tata (AS4755) > OpenDNS (AS36692)

Return path: OpenDNS (AS36692) > Tata (AS4755) > Tata (AS6453) > Airtel (AS9498) > IAXN (AS134316)

While this may seem like a Tata – Airtel routing issue but it wasn’t. I could see some of the prefixes with a direct path as well. Here’s a trace from Tata AS4755 Mumbai PoP to an IP from a different pool of IAXN:

traceroute to (, 15 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 * * *
2 ( 0.911 ms 0.968 ms 0.643 ms
3 ( 1.233 ms 0.821 ms 0.810 ms
4 ( 23.540 ms 23.454 ms 23.367 ms
5 ( 49.175 ms 48.832 ms 49.107 ms
6 ( 48.777 ms ( 49.043 ms ( 54.879 ms
7 ( 60.865 ms 60.540 ms 60.644 ms

This clearly was fine. So why Tata was treating different from The reason for that lies in following:

  • Airtel (AS9498) very likely peers with Tata (AS4755). They do interconnect for sure as we see in traceroutes and my understanding is that it’s based on settlement-free peering for Indian traffic.
  • Airtel (AS9498) buys IP transit from Tata (AS6453) (besides a few others). Tata AS6453 is carrying the routing announcements to other networks in the transit free zone and that confirms that Airtel (at least technically) has a downstream customer relationship here.
  • Tata (AS4755) has IRR based filters on peering but not the Tata (AS6453) for it’s downstream. Hence while Tata rejected the route in India, they did accept that in Singapore PoP.
  • My IP was from prefix and there was no valid route object for it at any of key IRRs like ATLDB, APNIC or RADB. But other prefix did had a valid route object on APNIC.

Now after almost 10 days of it, my ISP has changed the BGP announcement and announcing (which does a valid route object on APNIC). This fixes the routing problem and give me pretty decent latency with OpenDNS:

ping -c 5
PING ( 56 data bytes
64 bytes from icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=52.552 ms
64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=53.835 ms
64 bytes from icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=53.330 ms
64 bytes from icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=52.700 ms
64 bytes from icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=52.504 ms

--- ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 52.504/52.984/53.835/0.518 ms

So if you are a network operator and originating prefixes, please do document them in any of the IRRs. You can do that via IRR of your RIR (APNIC, ARIN etc) or a free IRR like ALTDB. If you have downstreams, make sure to create AS SET, add downstreams ASNs in your AS SET and also include that AS SET on peeringdb for the world to see!

Misc Notes

  • Posted strictly in my personal capacity and has nothing to do with my employrer.
  • Thanks for folks from Cisco/OpenDNS for quick replies with relevant data which helped in troubleshooting. 🙂